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"Warning" signs on bio. pages and nomination for deletion

Have added a large number of {{Unreferenced|date=August 2008}} and {{BLPsources|date=August 2008}} to a large groupe of players in the swedish top league, aka Allsvenskan, i myself is a major fan of Halmstads BK, also a team in Allsvenskan, and have made major contributions to that teams and players articles, i am trying to improve all articles regarding to Swedish top fotball, Allsvenskan and Superettan mainly, and was hopping that some user and IP numbers would help if i added this tags, this however havent happend and i feel that i know to little about some players to writte theire bios on my own. I also added this signs to the articles since i dont feel like they reach the demands on Wikipedia regarding bios. So now i wonder how long i should wait before i put up a bio. page for deletion or if there is something else i should do instead? --> Halmstad, Talk to me 21:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Merge sections?

It seems to me that a merge of WP:SPS, WP:QS, and WP:SELFQUEST would be logical and could make this policy simpler without changing the effective meaning. Especially since questionable sources are subject to the same restrictions as self-published sources per SELFQUEST. This could also solve the problem of WP:SELFPUB directing to the wrong section (which apparently can't simply be fixed since that would mess up links in discussions elsewhere.) PSWG1920 (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

That is how it used to be... and was changed only a few months ago. The objection to the old wording was that it implied that self-published sources were the same thing as questionable sources... toss in extremist sources and there was real confusion. While all are dealt with in similar ways, they are not necessarily the same thing. A questionable source is not always self-published. Blueboar (talk) 18:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but that could be made clear even in one section. Bold self-published and questionable. PSWG1920 (talk) 18:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
OK... How is this for a solution... I have created a new level 3 header (and moved some of the shortcuts to it), while shifting the existing sections to level 4 subsections. This maintains the idea that the topics are distinct, but are dealt with in the same way. Revert if you don't approve. Blueboar (talk) 18:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I do approve, but I think more could be done. I may edit it significantly and then self-revert and ask what people think. PSWG1920 (talk) 18:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
That works for me... then we can compare your ideas and the current text side by side. Blueboar (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
FYI... Having compared your ideas with the current text... I have no objections to your edit. But wait to see what others think before you go make the change. Blueboar (talk) 19:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Reliable

As far as local news anchors go, are their biographies on the official station websites reliable? —Mythdon (talkcontribs) 23:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Lets put it this way... barring any better source, yes. The next question, however, is this: Is a local news anchor really notable enough for mention in Wikipedia? If the only source you can find on one is the website of a local TV station, I am not sure that he or she really is notable. They would have to have won some sort of national award or something. Blueboar (talk) 02:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
These sorts of questions are best asked at the reliable sources noticeboard, which is dedicated to answering them. As always, no source is universally reliable: it depends entirely on how you use it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Geriatric nursing

am trying to write a page on geratric nursing could you review and comment—Preceding unsigned comment added by user:199.8.81.101 (talkcontribs) 13:39, 21 November 2008

Could you give us a link?. —Mythdon (talkcontribs) 06:16, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
That'd be Geriatric nursing. Has some major issues to be addressed.LeadSongDog (talk) 06:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Reference library category

In order to help facilitate easier location of potential sources of offline information to help verify the notability of article subjects and contents, I have created Category:WikiProject reference libraries and placed into it all of the reference library pages of which I am aware. Please add more project reference libraries to this category if you know of more. Additionally, feel free to create new reference library pages for any particular project as well. They can be very useful. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


Jeremy Tucker (Article) =

I edited the reference/source section because 3 of the 4 links do not work. They are invalid. So I deleted 2 of them and I would like that article to be challenged because I do not feel that it follows the guidelines of verifiable content. Thank you if someone can look it over.

-David Scalzo

DScalzo23 (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia itself and about.com as sources

I'd never consider Wikipedia a reliable source and had long believed that it explicitly ruled that it wasn't a reliable source for itself. And that about.com was no better. (Of course, both sites have good stuff, but the domain name alone doesn't start to assure you that you can rely on its quality.) Which is why I yesterday removed a whopping amount of Wikipedia/about.com sourcing from a certain article (edit summary neither answers.com nor wikipedia.org is an acceptable source). Seemingly unimpressed by either this or the short message I left on his/her talk page, the article's editor promptly reverted my edit. (Summary: Most all citations are checked against third party resouces. Material requires cites.)

Time to quote policy, I thought. However, I see nothing about this in WP:V (or the guideline WP:RS). It's hard to search for "Wikipedia" but a search for "about.com" in the "Wikipedia" and "Wikipedia talk" spaces brings zero hits.

The author of the article seems pretty scrupulous, quoting and translating from the Czech and German-language Wikipedias; I know nothing about the former but have read that the latter has higher standards than has the English-language one. So if anybody is going to cite Wikipedia (or about.com), then this is the way. But does WP policy now permit the citing of Wikipedia and such dodgy sites as about.com? If so, I'm amazed (and horrified); if not, I wonder where this is stated and why it isn't clearly stated in WP:V. -- Hoary (talk) 00:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

No, one Wikipeida article is not considered reliable for citation in another Wikipeia article... the excepting being in an article about wikipedia. This is explained in WP:SPS which reads: ... self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, knols, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable to cite in Wikipedia. (my bolding, for emphysis). About.com is also not a reliable source, as it makes such heavy use of Wikipedia. Blueboar (talk) 01:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
No shinola. Within the very same section: Articles and posts on Wikipedia, or other websites that mirror Wikipedia content, may not be used as sources. This is what happens when, as today, I get up an hour earlier than usual. -- Hoary (talk) 01:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)