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Hi, I'd like to make articles on talla (Ethiopian beer) and araqi (Ethiopian liquor). Can you help? As with many Ethiopian subjects, I don't think there are many sources available. Badagnani 22:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I just began a Tella article; would you mind taking a look to see if you could improve it? Badagnani 23:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi again Yom and thanks a lot for reminding me of the map and the corrections I'm supposed to do. I've been overwhelmed by classes / homeworks and could not spare the time to work on the map. What I was planning to do was to get my hands on a nice and reputable published atlas of the Ottoman Empire and to make an extensive revision on the map (there have been issues with a few other regions too). But since this proved to take long, I will go ahead and fix it in light of the information you've provided. Teanaste’lle’n, Atilim Gunes Baydin 22:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just learned about the Tsemai ethnic group of Ethiopia. Do they have a WP article and, if not, do you know something about them? Badagnani 23:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I've added a photo of a Tsemai woman at Tella. Would you check it to make sure all looks right? Although we don't have an article for Weyto, where the photo was taken, I think it must be in the Debub Omo Zone of the Southern Minorities and People's Region. Tourist groups apparently go there. Badagnani 05:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey yom, i understood what you meant on your Hailu shawel deletion. But as you know, the original sub-topic was "Derg advocate" or derg supporter. That one, you also deleted it. Anyhow, my question is regarding the new sub-title you used which was "alleged dictator." The last quote there was of Hailu saying that when Ethiopia was under the Mengistu people in our country "were living in peace and harmony." Clearly, such comments and way of thinking by Hailu was an insult to the hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians killed as well as even more dead in famines. But that quote becames basically meaningless unless what kind of time Hailu shawel is praising is indicated in the same article. Just saying he praised this and this era doesn't make him any extra dictator or an outrageous person to the typical wikipedia reader. So i need to know why you deleted the important part that explains what exactly hailu was praising. Unless what he praised is not detailed, the quote is meaningless to the typical person in this world. I believe the detail should be returned. In addition, ending that section with an ambigious quote is also awkward unless more detail is given. For many reasons, i believe the sourced detail i gave should not be deleted. I would like to know your position on this after you reason out what i am saying. Ethiopiawit1 19:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks. The obscure Ethiopian liquors are not mentioned much online, though tej is well known. I've done quite a bit of work on obscure Asian rice wines (there are hundreds of them) and would like to document the Ethiopian ones properly as well. Have you ever tried tella? Info on the Tsemai, like the Hamar, appears to come from "adventure travel" websites (the Hamar was featured on that show "Going Tribal" where the white guy had to jump over a bunch of cows like they do). So our work really can have educational benefit, if we're able to find the sources. Oh, Ethnologue seems to have them as the "Tsamai," not "Tsemai." Badagnani 06:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't find the population figures. Oh, and the regions, zones, and woredas are just impossible to figure out. From my research, it seems that the Tsamai in Weyto are in their own special woreda that is NOT part of the Debub Omo Zone, but IS part of the Southern Nationalities and People's Region. Some of the other ethnic groups in that border area also have their own "special" woredas that are not part of any Zone. Is there some resource that would be able to figure this out, as per current Ethiopian border policy? Badagnani 06:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible they live in the Hamer Bena woreda? This article says it is part of the Debub Omo Zone but some online sources say the ethnic woredas in the area are not part of Debub Omo. And one source said the Tsamai homeland has its own woreda. It's just impossible. Badagnani 07:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yom, first I want to say that I've been wanting to get my hands on E. van Donzel's book for quite a while. If you find anything worth adding from it to Wikipedia, please do!
As to the question of these 4 kingdoms & their relationship to Ethiopia, the problem with many of these lists of Ethiopian provinces & client kingdoms is that as time passed these lists not only grew more & more out of date but sometimes even fantastical. Part of the reason was, of course, the expected bravado & propaganda motives of the Emperor & his supporters, but the person reporting often contributed to this fiction: I know Remedius Prutky, writing about Ethiopia circa 1750, reused a list of provinces that had its origins in a similar list compiled during Lebna Dengel's reign! Even though Prutky is clearly not one of the most reliable sources about Ethiopia (there are a number of passages where it's hard not to conclude that he was prejudiced against Ethiopia & its inhabitants, pure & simple), he was not alone in perpetrating this image.
As for the four client kingdoms, you got them mostly right. Let me list them with their most common identifications, with comments:
Does this answer your question? -- llywrch 02:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Yom, you contribute the Amharic edition of Wikipedia, right? You might be interested in this notice of the work there; look to the second paragraph. -- llywrch 15:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
First, great find about the Atlas.
From what little I know about materials released by governments outside the US, my inclination is to assume that they are under copyright, & reuse may involve paying a fee. Remember, Ethiopia is a poor country, so they are looking for any revenue stream that they can find; & a lot of nations charge for access to their official statistics, GIS information, etc. The US is unusual in that all of the material the government produces is considered part of the PD. For example, the UK places everything under Crown Copyright, which then passes to the PD after 50 years. (Hey, it's more generous than Disney corporation is with the rights to an animated mouse.)
As for Ethiopian copyright in general, I have no other answer to than to say, "They have a copyright law, it's been tightened recently, but it's unclear how or even if it is enforced". This annoys me because Pankhurst's Economic History of Ethiopia (published in Ethiopia in 1967, with no copyright notice) contains several useful illustrations that would improve certain articles. If these images are effectively PD, I'd scan them & upload them to Commons; if there is some rights involved, I might scan the ones worth the hassle to learn what the law is & upload them here. (Boy, we could have our very own Ethiopian copyright template -- "This material was first published in Ethiopia; status and laws are unknown, so fair use guidelines presumed" ;-) -- llywrch 18:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you might want to point out where the voting had a end date on it. I didn't see one. If you removed it because you think consensus was found, you should be aware that consensus is not a static thing, and can change quite quickly. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 06:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The border war was a large stalemate. Majority of articles describe the war as one large stalemate after the other. The war ended on a peace treaty, not a full military victory where a government was removed from power. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ethioboy101 (talk • contribs) 10:49, June 10, 2007 (UTC)
The border war is described like the Iraq and Iran war, in which that too is a stalemate because no government was changed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ethioboy101 (talk • contribs) 10:31, June 10, 2007 (UTC)
FYI Requests for checkuser Randyreporter --Philip Baird Shearer 22:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Yom, if you're going to revert the entire page on "Population history of Ancient Egypt"(even though I'm not the one who restored that), please if you will, see the talk page first and address the concerns there because it seems that they did that for a reason and are pretty upset. Many people are simply making edits with out comment. It isn't as simple as a page split, they're upset with the fact that all of their content was missing and we need to figure out what needs to go in what section. Thank you.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Population_history_of_ancient_Egypt#Where.27s_the_rest_of_the_articleTaharqa 19:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to do about this website. I admit that I've used once or twice in the past, & probably would again -- but the lack of sources troubles me also. Also, there is the fact that a good chunk of these geneologies probably don't exist in a "proper" print form in English; Royal Ark will thus by default be the best source for some of these things for the foreseeable future. Lastly, IIRC, most of these materials exist only in oral form, so it's not even a matter of getting ahold of a text & translating it. (I've noticed that more information about Ethiopia is getting put on the Internet, & once in a while I wonder if it's due to our efforts here at Wikipedia.) One could just cite Royal Ark & leave it at that; I only hope that the time doesn't come when the politically correct club who are now busily purging Wikipedia of all of those subversive Free Use images decide to do the same thing with "unreliable" sources, otherwise their bot-powered edits will leave a lot of articles looking like a dog chewed them up. -- llywrch 22:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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Neither Ethiopia nor Somalia has any native speakers of Italian left (aside from foreigners). They should be removed from the map. I will update a new version of this later if I do not hear any objections.
Yom 06:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
(I'm not sure if this qualifies as original research, but you may be able to use this in school.)
The current theory of Ethiopian political history is that with Fasilides' foundation of his capital at Gondar, Ethiopia went into a period of economic & cultural decline. Obviously the Oromo migrations into the former provinces of the south and southeast had a decisve influence on future devlopments, but I think that Oromo military supremacy did not have the direct effect that some historians believe it did. Instead, I would attribute this re-orientation from the southeast to the northwest due to economic reasons: the decline of the Kaffa-Harar-Zeila trade route.
I think it's fairly uncontroversial that following Oromo occupation of the former provinces of Bale, Fatagar, Damot & others disrupted this trade route. And since their culture was primarily pastorial & decentralized, their elite had no concept that encouraging economic development might be a good thing -- so this trade route declined in importance until the later 18th century with the rise of Shewa. Although Mordechai Abir has found evidence that the entire region suffered an economic depression until the end of the Zemene Mesafint, economic activity continued in Ethiopia at least at the level before the Oromo migrations: by 1700, Gondar was widely considered the most populous city in all of Africa -- including, if I remember my facts correctly, Egypt and northeast Africa. The gold, civet oil and slaves from Kaffa still found their way to the outside world by means of the Kaffa-Gojjam-Gondar-Massawa trade route -- which remained under Ethiopian control.
However, the northwestern frontier presented a new area to expand profitably into due to the Sennar-Gondar trade route, & replace the loss of the Kaffa-Harar-Zeila route. Undoubtedly the Emperors after Sarsa Dengel recognized that opportunity. Gondar was founded to facilitate Imperial oversight in this area, much as Debre Behran & other imperial "cities" were founded in the southeast.
This theory can be tested in a number of ways:
Anyone need a subject for a graduate thesis? -- llywrch 19:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
African slave trade maybe you should keep and eye on this if you dont mind.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 20:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Shewa was still Islamic as was Ifat when Ahmed Ibrahim campaigned against the Amhara kings of Abyssinia. In fact, I can tell you that there are large parts of modern Shoa which are still Muslim. I know because by relatives are from there. A large number of the people of the Christian Ethiopia joined Ahmed Ibrahim against the king because they were forcefully Christianized people chaffing under Amhara rule. Shewa was not seperated from the rest of Ethiopia by Ahmed Ibrahim. He did not ravage it, he reclaimed it.
The term Shewa was co-opted by Amhara Christians relatively recently and expanded to mean large areas that were never Shoa to begin with. The more western Amara Christian Shoa part is not the same the real Shoa which is still very Muslim, and also very Oromo. Ethiohistorian
"In the 16th century, Shewa was ravaged and separated from the rest of Ethiopia by the forces of Ahmed Gragn; the region then came under pressure from the Oromo, who succeeded during the first decades of the next century in settling the depopulated areas around Shewa (which were renamed Welega, Arsi and Wollo). Because of this destruction and isolation, little is known about the details of the history of Shewa until almost 1800. However, Emperor Lebna Dengel and some of his sons used Shewa as their safe haven when threatened by invaders".
Why is the term ravaged used here? It is the Amhara Christian kings who ravaged Shoa per their own records in the royal chronicles when Amda Tsion said pillaged Muslim Shoa and killed many of it's inhabitants?
Since when was the region around Shoa ever depopulated? and by whom? What is the evidence that Shoa included the areas that are now called Arsi, Wellega and Wollo?
Where is any discussion of the the Amhara migration into and conquest of medieval Islamic Shewa? Where is the mention of the indigenous people of Shoa such as the Argobba?
Why are Oromos in Shoa considered as migrants while Amharas who migrated from their region Amhara not referred to as migrants?
This article is quite bad and reads like a propoganda piece for Amhara Christians by not once mentioning the many peoples that have lived in Shoa and still do! Ethiohistorian 20:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, in this photo of tej, is it really tej? I thought the liquor that is orange and cloudy has a different name, and is made from fruits instead of just honey. Badagnani 02:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks--actually I added the "unfiltered" in the caption...(it was a guess). Badagnani 05:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello! The Wikipedia:Graphic Lab is working on artwork related to Ethiopia, and we need some help to get the proper Amharic language text into the artwork. Please visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Images_to_improve#Ethiopia_Scout_Association and see if you can help! Thanking you in advance, Chris 07:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just made a Mitmita article to go with the Berbere one; please add to it as you can. Should awaze have its own article or is that a classifier referring to both spice mixtures? Badagnani 00:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm currently working on a system intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you have time, please help me by filling out blanks at User:Soman/Lang-Help-am so that I can start uploading a series of articles to the amharic wikipedia. Thanks, --Soman 21:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think that if a company is redlinked, it is likely not in line with WP:N and thus doesn't belong on WP anyway? My feeling is that the links retained by the cats will certainly be notable and useful, as they will be limited to those companies that have articles on them (and thus those companies that have had objective news coverage, business reports, etc., as opposed to say, my neighbor's kid's landscaping business being listed as a US-based business). MSJapan 07:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
According to Somaliland times, half the deployed Ethiopian military was killed. Why isn't this mentioned? Also, the result is a peace deal, you have single handedly edited this thread to your liking.
Yom, i apologize for the confusion, but I dont think you understand what i am trying to say in that statement I made in the intro to the habesha article. You see just as you gave that analogy in the past about the two having the same grandfather, so according to the analogy, one of the two guys has died(become extinct)(Sabeans and Pre-Arabic South Arabians), while yet the other one has survived and continued on its ancient traditions and customs and unique languages (habeshas). However yet, this guy (the habesha), should trace his origins to not only his father, but also his grandfather, but mention should be made about his uncle (South Arabians) and how it was possible that he is related by blood to him, and how he actually even looked similar to him (prior to the Arab/Persian conquering of Arabia), so Yom i fully understand what you are saying, and it makes perfect sense, but I am trying to make you look at it from another point of view. Just because I believe in the Sabean theory more than the Indigenous theory more, it does not mean that I believe that the habesha used to look like the light skinned Yemeni Arabs of today since the Sabeans hardly looked like them. Readers of the habesha article should be given information about how the habesha are related to their South Arabian cousins and how they ultimately share the same roots as though they have the same grandfather.
Cluckbang 01:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)Cluckbang
Hi Yom -- per your request, I reverted the move. I consider it a no-brainer decision: while there should be no penalty to "acting boldly", if someone contests a change then the best course is to revert to the status ante quem & discuss. If this page is moved again, though, I think the better course would be to list this at Wikipedia:Requested moves & explain what happened. (While letting me know that this happened, of course!) That way, not only do you benefit from more eyes watching, but it doesn't appear to be a case of favoritism -- which only leads to prolonged & inconclusive content wars. -- llywrch 17:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello Yom, I would like to use the image of the Ezana Stone (see next link) in the french version of "History of Ethiopia" that I am currently writing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EzanaGreekTablet.jpg
Can you tell me if this is possible? Thank you in advance Zheim 11:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Alaqa Gebre Hanna. I hope to eventually fill in the holes in this article, but I believe it's worth reading even in its current state. -- llywrch 02:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Yom, firstly, how is your summer. I am trying t contribute as much as I can before school starts. I wanted to ask you, why is it that the Ge'ez font has to be downloaded to be seen on wikipedia, while other scripts, which are spoken by less than 70 million (habesha population) dont have to download their fonts.Cluckbang 06:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)Cluckbang
Hello, I'd like to have your aquaintance, Yom. You seem very interested in all things Ethiopian and I hope to study Ge'ez sometime in the near future. I am an undergraduate in Linguistics at Michigan State University. I apologize for the rude introduction by my *hopefully* soon-to-be colleague, Glengordon01. (On an earlier version of your User Page.) Academics, I'm finding, are notorious for being unkind brutes. I hope to be the exception.
You have a great interest in this subject. This gravitates toward the spread of knowledge. I wish to be your friend as I prepare to possibly learn Ge'ez under Dr. Grover Hudson.
Please, shoot me an e-mail if you think it'd be neat to have my acquaintance: roger158 (at) msu.edu .
(WikiUser: Epigraphist without his password handy)
I'll see what I can do. Since the move can be undone at any time, I'm more interested in following Gyrofrog's lead & trying to convince Zeragito to play by the rules. I suspect that if I (or another Admin) rolls back the move, he'll decide that he has nothing to lose & only act less civilly. Hope your summer is going well. -- llywrch 16:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I've been watching the Yemen history pages for some time, and seem to have been caught up in a talk page controversy (or round of abuse). I have written to Alameer and Skatewalk on their user talk pages and wanted you to know about it. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 18:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I saw you are a member of the Ethiopia WikiProject. When you get the chance, please improve Ethiopian Civil War as the article is a two sentence-stub. Thanks, Perspicacite 02:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
(for some reason I thought it was Modern South Arabic) "Modern South Arabian" not Arabic, big difference. This language is irrelevant to Arabic or South Western Semitic. In Western Yemen and Ethiopia. just noticed the title of the article. disregard! Modern South Arabian is closer to East Semitic than Southwest Semitic. Southwest Semitic is highly evolved and similar to west Semitic. Modern South Arabian is still pure on the same level Akkadian was 4000years ago! (if not proto-Semitic), keep in mind most Mahra from Kuwait or Yemen are already mixed so they will use the Arabic pronounciation (many of them dont like to speak their older langauge or prefer to add Arabic words and letters because they only have 19 letters you might not find that the case with the urbanized Mahra, but if you go to the mountains in Dhofar and Mahra you will see what I mean--Skatewalk 18:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I heard that the Ethiopian military is on a campaign against the ONLF after the Abole raid. I wonder if the government gave any name to the operation, it would help my effort to create an article. Thanks, --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I have noticed that you have reverted the edit regarding the number of Tigrinya speakers in Semitic languages, and even said it was a "long overdue correction". I must know where is the basis for that claim. My old edit summary explains it best: "The number of 6.5 million Tigrinya speakers is based on the unsourced claim that all ethnic Tigrinya are speakers of Tigrinya." Please cite that - thanks. Etams 09:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yom -- I noticed your edit to this article. So "Arbegna" is the singular form & "Arbegnoch" the plural? If so, there is another passage in the article that needs fixing. (And last night I found a more extensive account of Ras Abebe's role in the Woyane revolt that needs to be worked in that same passage.) -- llywrch 21:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm puzzled that you find a quote about the airline from the year 2000 (and a quote within that quote from the year 1987) acceptable in a 2007 encyclopedia. The facts given about Ethiopian were doubtless true in 2000 but it tells us zero about the facts seven years later so I can't see the purpose of the Ref. So I've reverted you. Can you tell me how the quote helps the reader (except to tell him/her how things were seven years ago)? Perhaps the wording in the article should be changed to let the reader know that it's outdated information? However if you are determined to have the quote put it back in and I'll leave it alone (under protest), Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 21:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
When you removed the image of Ras Makonnen from the V&A Lafayette web site, why did you not give a source or credit the people who did the work to clean and scan this image? rvondeh@dircon.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.133.1.176 (talk) 14:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I notice you've been involved with Ethiopian and Eritrean articles. We're currently trying to set up a naming convention for Iceland-related articles. One of the issues we have is that most Icelanders have patronyms rather than family names and we like to sort and refer to people by their given name. I understand that you have a similar situation in Ethiopia and Eritrea (and Somalia?). Yet it seems to me that while Eritreans are usually sorted by their given names on Wikipedia, Ethiopians tend to be sorted by their last name (patronym?). Is there a reason for this or do you think it should be different? I think we could maybe cooperate on this. Haukur 08:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yom! Weld Blundell (it's one of those British double-barrelled names) is obviously wrong in his translation here; what I am wrestling with is how to correct it in a way that does not leave it open to an accusation of original research, or reversion on other grounds. To wit:
I'm not sure I arrived at the best solution, but maybe explaining the problem will help you find a better. BTW, what are the Amharic/Ge'ez forms of "Jesus" & "Joshua"? IIRC, they are the same, & only by accident do they have different forms in English. -- llywrch 16:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Yom, I have a question and am asking you based on the solid and substantial contributions you have made to the article on the Aksumite Empire. I noted with some interest in the Arch article that, citing Munro-Hay's book on Aksum Civilization, an Aksumite - or at least Syrian/Aksumite - origin to the horseshoe arch is asserted (which is what I am looking into). I see you added this information and was wondering the degree to which you know how accurate this claim is. I know that there are 5th century antecedents in Syria to the emergence of this architectural curiosity, but have not hitherto encountered an Aksumite attribution, which would, given the ambiguities of its architectural and iconographic significance, be fascinating indeed. Any help or suggestion for further reading you might have would be much appreciated. Thanks! Eusebeus 21:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
[1] I really cannot see the word "vandalism" you told me. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 22:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Using a template? Yes, LA2 suggested the idea behind Template:Ref Ethiopia. I haven't advertised it's existence because I'm still testing it -- I've encountered a few glitches with it -- but I think this will simplify the bibliographical style & make maintaining these sources much simpler. Or was your commment about something else? -- llywrch 03:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
About this change to Liya Kebede. If Kebede is her father's last name , u r saying she married a man with the same surname? Liya and her husb Kassy both have dad's with the name 1st Kebede? . . . . .Do u have a source 4 this?
Also, it IS her surname is this sense as this is US wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.220.141 (talk) 23:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm very interested in Ethiopian history and culture. Do have MSN or yahoo messenger? I'd like to be friends and chat sometime. Please leave a message if you're interested. Josh 03:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
My MSN: i_hate_msn_a_lot@hotmail.com
My Yahoo ID: i_love_wassaporn@yahoo.com
My email address: roachbusters@gmail.com Josh 05:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
(Which means that Ethiopia in 1788/1789 was one better than the Roman Empire in AD 69. ;-)
The names I listed in Tekle Giyorgis I of Ethiopia were the ones in Wallis Budge's History of Ethiopia; he was deposed (so to speak) for Iyasu, & when he managed to remove Iyasu from the throne, according to Wallis Budge there were three different usurpers supported by Ras Ali's rivals. However, as I worked my way through Weld-Blundell's translation Royal Chronicle of Abyssinia, my respect for Wallis Budge has plummetted: he often cites a passage from the Chronicle for the wrong event, so it may be that there weren't five recognized Emperors at one time in Ethiopia.
I've finally worked my way for the first time through this book (it's going to require many re-readings before I can use it for more than the occasional event), & it looks like I'll be re-writing much of this article. Despite Nathaniel Pearce's estimate of the man, I have to respect a guy who persistently fought for 30+ years to be Emperor not only in name but deed. (For example, there are at least two passages in Weld-Blundell's translation where Tekle Giyorgis is quoted as saying he didn't want to be ruler if he was to be only a figurehead.) He deserves better than what the account in the more common histories. -- llywrch 20:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I just visited Yemrehanna Krestos, and I would say that the 'whitewashed exterior' might not be accurate. The stone parts between the wood were covered with plaster, but I could not tell whether it was 'whitewashed' - also if it were whitewashed it is a question of whether this is original the building, or done later. Lacking archaeological evidence, one must be a bit more circumspect. What were your observations? Also to mention the interior whitewashing in the same sentence is misleading since Yemrehanna Krestos is most certainly not whitewashed. I will try to rephrase this in a day or so.Brosi (talk) 22:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I was updating Gore, Ethiopia at the same time I was updating Metu, & was surprised to find each article on the respective town makes this claim! At the moment I don't have access to a source that would resolve this conflict, so I added the caveat. If you can resolve this contradiction, I'd be quite happy! -- llywrch (talk) 17:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
When you have a moment, Yom, would you check my parsing of Lemma Tesefa Kesime's name in Debre Zeyit? I'm not sure whether he's Lemma, son of Tesefa Kesime -- or Lemma Tesefa, son of Kesime. Much thanks. -- llywrch (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yom,
Over the past few days, and probably some time in the future, I have been doing some cleaning up on Ethiopian languages. I just noticed that I was operating in a shoot-first-ask-questions-later mode, and this affected one of your previous edits. One of my goals is to standardize the entries on languages so that they are listed under the name given in the Ethnologue (http://www.ethnologue.com), which is the authority on language names and classification. My rationale is that someone might look up a language name there, type it into Wikipedia, and get to the correct page right away. This is what I did with the Wolaytta language, which is called just that in the Ethnologue. I did not see any discussion on the page and so went ahead, only later noting that last year you have been doing just the reverse move. I tried to find something on transliteration on the Project:Ethiopia page, but don't see anythingh there. So maybe we should discuss things again. I realize that things become a little bit more messy when an ethnic group or a kingdom is called Welayta and the language Wolaytta, and I'm not bold enough to change the name throughout. On the other hand, there is a standard for transcribing language names, and no standard whatsoever for any other Ethiopian names. And standards make life easy for everyone. What do you think? Landroving Linguist (talk) 13:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the /t/ is indeed geminated. I could not find any discussion on geminations here, so I'd like to hear some more clarification why "double t isn't the way to go." I'm fine with naming the ethnic group any other way, but the language should be called they way it is called elsewhere. The Ethnologue does not make a claim to be consistent in spelling language names. I think the way names are spelled there only reflects the published literature. The following is the list of publicly available works written on Wolaytta until 1991, taken from the Linguistic Bibliography of the Non-semitic languages of Ethiopia, by Pete Unseth, published by Michigan State University in 1991): (Unseth calls the language Wolaytta in this work)
Abebe Mehretu. 1982. The role of Suprasegmentals in Wolaytta. AAU BA thesis.
Adams, Bruce. 1984. A tagmemic analysis of the Wolaitta language. University of London Ph.D. thesis.
Fetlework Tsigie. 1984. A contrastive analysis of Wolayitta and Amharic segmental phonemes. AAU BA thesis.
Samuel Urago. 1983. Nominalization patterns in Wolayta. AAU BA thesis.
Senait Mulugeta. 1984. Pronouns in Wolayitta. AAU BA thesis.
Yitbarek Ejigu. 1970. The Phonology of Wolayta, a generative approach. AAU MA thesis.
Disregaring all other variation in the name, except for Samuel and Yitbarek all of these sources use the double t for the language. Other sources (including the works of Bender) are using variations of Welamo or Walamo. Anyway, my point is that most linguists are using the double t when they write about this language. Of course I could be happy with a redirect, but first I'd like to hear more about your reasons. By the way, if you google Wolaytta language and Welayta language, the picture does not get so clear-cut anymore, which underlines my point: for the language name (as opposed to the ethnic name) Wolaytta seems to be the correct spelling. By another way, I would also stick to Hadiyya, for the same reasons. Landroving Linguist (talk) 09:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
This came from Buckingham & Huntingford's S.R.E. (details in the article cited). I guessed that the language was Amharic -- B & H didn't say, although their practice is to state the language in this case if it wasn't. "Canna" is their word -- which I had, until your note, no idea what is meant. (I just looked at the Wikipedia article on the word, & it confused further.) I guess this may be a case where the meaning of the placename needs a longer explanation. -- llywrch (talk) 01:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Eritreans official language is arabic and tigrinya. Yom, i don`t even think you are eritrean. All your information is nonesense. Most eritreans speak tigrinya and arabic. If you know ancient history, the tigrinya people came from yemen and are semitic people, their are a lot arab people in eritrea, most are in red sea coast, like massawa, dahlak islands, asab..., i am not talking about the afars (who are cushtic). Go to www.arabbay.com to see eritrea is in arab world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.4.188.153 (talk) 07:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yom! Belated happy New Year. As I've researching more about Ethiopia, I've grown more convinced that I picked the wrong name for this river -- it should have been Bashilo, or something similar with an l & not a t. About the only source that I've encountered that uses this form is a map of Ethiopia I've found which is unreliable about so many other names; every other book or article uses a form of the name with an l. What do you think? -- llywrch (talk) 01:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello! Can you please help translate the name of this organization into Tigrinya? Thank you! Chris (クリス) (talk) 00:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear Yom, it's great I could finally find a map of the Ethiopian medieval provinces, thank You very much. There is one question I have - in chronicles of for example Zara Yacob Tigre province is mentioned. As far as I understand when we talk about Medieval Ethiopia it is the same as Tigray. I know that today these are two different people - Tigray live in Ethiopia and Eritrea as well, they are mainly christian, Axum was situated in their territory, and Tigre live in northern Eritrea, and are mainly muslim. The question is: why these names are so familiar? When they divided, or they are not connected at all? Do the two languages differ a lot? Concerning Medieval times, what is more correct to say - Tigre or Tigray? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.41.24.231 (talk) 11:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Over the last few years the scientific community has tracked several updates to the corresponding naming schemes in, for example, haplogroup I and haplogroup R. I have no doubt it will similarly adopt these latest changes for E3b (however admittedly unwieldy the new namings may be).
Two of the key authors of the new paper, Underwood and Hammer, were leading figures in the creation of the naming scheme to start with; and indeed, in the actual uncovery of the y-dna haplogroup family tree itself. Also note that FTDNA, the largest testing company for public DNA, has said it will adopt the new nomenclature. So I do think this renaming will stick, and should as of now be regarded as the current naming for this group.
However, if you'd like to ask for other opinions, and discuss this further, you might like to raise it on the project talk page at WT:HGH.
All best, Jheald (talk) 08:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Yom! I know you haven't been around Wikipedia much lately, but if you have a moment I'd appreciate it if you would contribute your opinion to a dispute at Adal Sultanate: I seem be to in an edit war with another editor who thinks the random comment of an unnamed BBC journalist outweighs the researches of academic specialists. Thanks, & hope all is well with you. -- llywrch (talk) 06:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Blacks smarter: http://www.africaresource.com/content/view/528/236/
The benefits of Melanin: http://www.africaresource.com/content/view/479/236/
Europeans related to Neanderthals: http://www.africaresource.com/content/view/531/236/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.179.142 (talk) 17:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Bonjour, je me demandais si tu contribuais déjà à la version de Wikipédia en amharique ? Elle a besoin de contributeurs ! Cordialement, Baronnet (talk) 09:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
....Somethin i read in Herodotus sparked my curiosity: That being, when he wrote about Cambyses attempted march on Ethiopia, that, when describing the Ethiopians, he mentioned that they were the "most beautiful people on Earth. What I found interesting, is that Herodotus, a Greek, like many Greeks of his time, considered anyone not Hellenistic to be a "barbarian", the same way the Romans did centuries later. He reference to the Ethiopians made me want to research more on the Ancient Ethiopians. Any accurate and non POV books you can suggest? thanks Nathraq (talk) 17:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
In a few of the books in Herodotus' Histories, he does specifically mention the name Ethiopia, and does not mention Kush. This got me going on a crusade now to learn all about the ancient history of the Ethiopians. peace Nathraq (talk) 20:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, do we have an article on the administrative division awraja? Badagnani (talk) 02:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Welayta people states that there is a Welaita Zone but we don't have any such article (nor about the old Welaita awraja). Can we get articles on these? Badagnani (talk) 02:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
There are many red links for images in Aksumite currency. I suggest to replace them with links to external images using {{
